A Commons Commission has concluded that abolishing the lower rate 10p/£ income tax rate has made poor people worse off. What a leap of fucking logic!
The same pattern keeps repeating itself with Liebour. They abolish lower tax rates and exemptions that everyone is automatically entitled to and replace them with a tax credit that some will be entitled to and isn’t an automatic entitlement.
But more importantly for the British government, it makes more people reliant on the “benevolence” of the state.
When tax credits was first brought in I couldn’t see the sense in paying a load of people to take more tax off the taxpayer and then pay another load of people to give some of it back. But this is the way Liebour works – they take as much as possible off you and then drip feed you bits of your tax back if you meet certain criteria. This way, tax credits can be changed or cut resulting in a higher tax bill without looking like a tax increase.
Smaller government means less interference from the state, more prosperity, more enterprise and lower taxes. Much lower.
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It does make you wonder how anyone thinks that relying even more heavily on complicated and bureaucratic tax credits is a good idea.
It makes perfect sense if the Tax Credits system is administered in the Liebour voting north and creates thousands of jobs in the call centres.
If Gordon Brown had his way then every persons wages would be paid straight to the Govt by the employer(in the same way that the “wages” Nazi slave labourers “earned” were) of and they would dole out what they decided we deserved.
On scrapping the 10p rate – think of it. The poorer you are the less likely you are to vote (interestingly in recent years, chances of voting Labour increased with affluence, not the other way round!) So the 2p cut to corporation tax can be funded by the working poor. And does this not prove the government has no intention of getting more people off benefits and into work?
Of course they don’t Charlie, they want everyone reliant on the state.
One of my world colleagues here in JobCentre Plus on the same rate as me has worked out that abolition of the 10p rate will wipe out the measly pay rise that tight Scottish git grudgingly paid us last year.
Now when they call 10 in Sunday night bingo it won’t be “Number 10, Gorden’s den, tight scotch git”, it’ll be “Number 10, Gorden’s den, thieving scotch git”
When I was growing up back in the 60’s/70’s my dad always taught me to believe that the Labour party were the champions of the poor working class. That seems to have gone by the board these days. Nowadays they seem to the champion of social workers, immmigration lawyers and pressure groups, estate agents, in fact everybody but the the poor white working class!
No bloody wonder people are looking for alternatives, the SNP in Scotland, PC in Wales and (god help us all) the BNP in England. I can’t help noticing that most BNP councillors are not in posh leafy suburbs but in areas dominated by poor white working class voteres.
Yes, I’ve been saying that for ages, in Scotland we can vote for the SNP as a ‘protest’ against the establishment and now they have become the establishment themselves.
Well done Gordo 😉
‘poor working class’=?
What is the definition?
Nowadays in britain, the working class of old dont really exist, what would the new definition be?
In the old days, if you were working class, you ‘worked’, you mined coal, made steel, built ships or cars, sweated your arse off, you worked hard physical work.
But today, how many of these jobs are there left? Do we need a re-definition of ‘working class’.
Charlie, over to you.
There are thirty million waged workers in the UK. Workers and their families are still a majority of the population. Of course, the composition of the working class has changed in the last thirty years and there’s now no means by which working people can exercise political power.
Manbeast – the BNP’s “success” is perhaps down to the low turnout in council elections… It’s not as if they play the working class angle so much as the white – which divides working people and in fact holds back white workers.
charlie, if i work, I’m working class?
I was a programmer, middle class, where is the line below which you become working class?
My assistants? My assistants assistants? The tea lady?
what defines this line?
In the old days, at the mines, if you were a miner, you were working class but if you worked in the office, you were not.
And again, community spirit, there was the mine, everyone worked there and was reliant upon it, either directly or via the wages it paid (shops. tradesmen, etc) so there was a good community spirit at work, which could be bonded together.
But nowadays? Do you know where the guy who sits next to you lives? have you been to his house? What about the guy on the other side??
Working class needs defined
I don’t define class in cultural terms associated with different jobs, etc – rather the actual economic relations that are taking place. If you live off a wage then, yes, you are working class – you are a worker. You may be skilled, unskilled, manual, non-manual – but you are a worker.
Sorry charlie, I’m being slow here.
Would my boss be counted as working class? He gets a wage, a bloody big wage, every month and all he has to work at is busting my balls, which he seems to do with relish.
Is everyone working class? Even those who dont work?
Now axel, your boss works very hard busting your balls…
If you enjoy it, it is not work 😉
Ball busting is such hard work – I’m sure it’s no fun 😉