With irritating frequency people post crap on Facebook about Article 61 of Magna Carta and “lawful rebellion”, claiming to be able to legally avoid paying taxes and operate outside the law as long as they write to the Queen to pledge their allegiance and tell her they’re lawfully rebelling against the government.
It’s bollocks.
The fundamental flaw in this lawful rebellion nonsense isn’t that the fascist state will deny people their constitutional right to rebel it’s that such a right doesn’t exist and hasn’t existed since 1297, if ever.
To understand why this lawful rebellion rubbish is … well, rubbish … you need some background. There have been four different versions of Magna Carta, each one being replaced by the next until the 1225 version was reaffirmed by decree of Edward I. There was an Article 61 in the original version of Magna Carta that was issued in 1215 but by the time Magna Carta was reissued in 1216 Article 61 had been removed. It lasted less than 12 months. Magna Carta didn’t actually end up on the statute roll until it was reaffirmed in 1297.
The lawful rebellion cranks come up with a variety of reasons why Article 61 should still be in force but they’re nonsense. A common claim is that parliament can’t repeal Magna Carta because it’s part of the Common Law. Parliament is sovereign, it can and does repeal or amend whatever it chooses whether it’s part of the Common Law or not. The universal right to trial by jury has been abolished and Habeas Corpus has been suspended by Act of Parliament several times. Whether it is considered to be part of the Common Law or not, Magna Carta became a statute in 1297 when it was entered onto the statute roll.
Another one is that Magna Carta is a treaty so it can’t be repealed by parliament. Magna Carta isn’t a treaty which is a contract entered into by sovereign states or international organisations. It was a contract under common law between the King and a group of barons signed at the point of sword. If it was a treaty – which it isn’t – then it was signed under duress and would be invalid under Articles 51 and 52 of the Vienna Convention on the Law of Treaties. Magna Carta is a statute and parliament has jurisdiction over it in the same way it has jurisdiction over Acts of the English, Scottish and (pre-Republic) Irish Parliaments, Acts of the Rump Parliament and other proclamations and statutes from before and after the civil war.
The oldest statute still on the books – the Distress Act 1267 (otherwise known as the Statute of Marlborough) – predates the British Parliament and the Rump Parliament of Cromwell’s republic yet it is still in force. It doesn’t matter whether the law was made by a King, Lord Protector, English Parliament, Scottish Parliament, Irish Parliament or British Parliament – the law is the law and parliament has jurisdiction over all laws.
To put it quite simply, there is no Article 61 of Magna Carta and rebellion is unlawful. There is no smoking constitutional gun that means you don’t have to pay taxes or fines or obey the law. There is, in fact, only one way to lawfully rebel and that is to be on the winning side so you’re the one who decides what is and isn’t lawful.
Whether you choose to believe me on this is your choice. I have nothing to gain from telling the truth – it’s not like I’m asking for donations to spread the word after all. You can carry on reading the rubbish these cranks put on their websites, try your hand at tax evasion and end up in court where you’ll try refusing to stand for the magistrate to deny him his authority because the same websites tell you that the courts are operating under admiralty law and they only have jurisdiction if you stand up for them and end up getting fined anyway because none of this stuff works. But for the love of FSM, please stop posting this crap on Facebook, starting petitions and sending round robin emails trying to find more gullible people to keep it all going!
I agree. It is always heartening to read the truth about Magna Carta.
I would suggest that the word “believe” is the operative word here. Belief in the supposed powers of Magna Carta, or the Bill of Rights or any other piece of paper, is no different than belief in the FSM. However, no one can deny that belief can motivate people. The followers of the Mahdi charged because they believed that bullets would not harm them – in comparison then faith in ‘lawful rebellion’ seems simply pitiful.
I dont believe in my natural right to freedom, i know it to be fact. Treason has been committed many time by all parties since the 1970’s .You can call lawful rebellion a myth if you choose ,but your belief doesn’t make it fact .Useful idiots everywhere .
I call it a myth because that’s what it is. Did you actually read what I wrote?
“”Whether you choose to believe me on this is your choice.””
I choose not to believe. Why? Because I know of English Common Law working & protecting me from legal abuse. E.g. It’s not until one stands up in court to try & defend one’s own children against the legal kidnappers, legal child-traffickers & legal child abusers, one realises how unlawful it all is.
If it were a myth how was it used to such effect at the start of the Glorious Revolution by a foreign king?
If it was myth, why would educated barons, lords and ladies invoke the right.
Why did the Times report it and is still available to read to this day? “Peers petition queen on Europe”
If you cared to look historically how it came to be and why it was changed a year later – through treacherous involvement from Rome.
You need to understand we are all under the dictate of the 4th Reich of the Roman Empire. They will lie and cheat and conspire as much as they must to control the free and living world of Earth.
If you are not a shill, you’re working for free…
if an agreement, contract or charter states that clauses and articles can only be repealed or modified with the mutual consent of all parties, then according to UK law, no additional separate agreements, contracts or charters can replace the original agreement. Laws, acts and charters do not become obsolete without repeal and as none of the articles within the 1215 Magna Carta have ever been modified or repealed by any of the involved parties, the Parliament Act of 1297 becomes unlawful.
Erm….where is your reply Mr Wankotsane!
My reply is that it’s a load of pseudo-legal rubbish and not worthy of a response.
can but agree with you…. we live on a Flat Earth,,, No one really landed on the moon in 69, Princess Di was murder… etc etc etc
“as none of the articles within the 1215 Magna Carta have ever been modified or repealed by any of the involved parties, the Parliament Act of 1297 becomes unlawful”
Utter bollocks. Parliament has the power to repeal, modify or create any law, subject only to Royal Assent. And neither Parliament or Monarch can make a ‘permanent’ law, which they or their successors cannot later repeal or modify.
This is basic democracy. The will of the people expressed through our elected representatives.
Now one can see why POLITICIAN Stuart Parr (Wonko) puts his little disclaimer at the start.. Stuart, its quite uncomfortable reading.. Stuart, truly? You are a beaten man on this, Article61 was served, LAWFULLY in 2001.. And it stands.. And a recent case from your own estate Brookside can prove this.. The guys case has now mysteriously disappeared after asking Magistrates for their Oaths.. Unlawful magistrates, treasonous Magistrates. I hear the guy has now charged the local bobby PC Clayton with treason, aAND… GOT HIS CRIME REFERENCE NUMBER and he is taking the fight on..
A few minor problems with the theory.
1) All of the parties to Magna Carta 1215 have been dead for 800 years so they can’t change it.
2) All the parties bound by Magna Carta 1215 have been dead for 800 years.
3) Magna Carta 1215 was modified in 1216, 1217, 1225 and 1297 and A61 hasn’t been in any of them.
4) The idea that a 21st century parliamentary democracy is bound by an 800 year old treaty which was signed under duress is preposterous.
5) Magna Carta 1215 was never the law so it cannot be repealed anyway.
7) What happened to 6?
6) Oh… Here it is.
8) You don’t know what you are talking about.
Magna Carta Libertatum 1215 was a Peace Treaty presented to the barons and, by implication and remit, “any man”, by the Monarch.
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In those days the Monarch made the Law!
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Therefore it is a Lawful and valid document!
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It can be altered by all Parties, with concensus, or their extant representatives.
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It has never been altered though, the others you mentioned are parliamentary statutes!
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“All” Peace Treaties are agreed and signed under duress by one Party or the other yet still have Standing under Law!
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Magna Carta Libertatum 1215 was declared current and valid by an mp in parliament a few years ago!
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This was never challenged!
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Ergo, it is current and valid in Law!
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805 years old or not, lol.
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Regards,
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“Silence, like a cancer grows”!
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Silence will never, ever, be an option again!!
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We have lived with the cancer of silence for far too long!!!
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“See Something, Say Something”!!!!
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STAND!
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FOR OUR CHILDREN!!
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WWG1WGA! WorldWide!!!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9Dg-g7t2l4
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You are right – the Monarch made the law. And in August 1215, just a few weeks after making it, he un-made it. John revoked Magna Carta as signed under duress (well, sealed, technically), and was absolved of his vow to obey it by the Pope.
That’s why – once John was dead and the civil war was over – the Barons agreed a new version with the Regent in 1217, a version which did not include any equivalent of Article 61. Nor did any subsequent reissues, in 1227 and 1297.
Agreed.
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I would add that it was a Peace Treaty and “all” Peace Treaties are signed under duress by one party or the other.
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Nevertheless they still have Standing under the Law!
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As was proven when it was declared current and valid by an mp in parliament a few years ago!
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This was never challenged!
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“”they write to the Queen to pledge their allegiance””… You don’t write to the Queen, dickhead.
Exactly.. The Monarch was written to though, oh yes, of course she was, exactly why CLUASE.61 was petitioned upon the Monarch.. SERVED Madam. 🙂
The 3 top judges who done a mock trial off the barons in October 2015 found that the barons of 1215 where lawfull in there actions
Nothing at all to do with this mythical lawful rebellion. In their mock trial they concluded that the barons hadn’t committed unlawful treason in 1215 because the King’s actions were unjust. They didn’t rule that there is a constitutional right to lawful rebellion in the same way that acquitting someone of murder because of diminished responsibility doesn’t make murder legal.
A house slave will always defend his right to wash and clasp the testicles of his master, so to earn the respect of his master, hence the reason why they bend knee and clasp hands together to testify. No one needs to have permission for a right as a right is NOT a privilege. A right to rebel against any de facto state/government is a right because a de facto state/government is not a de jure state/government. Simple LOGIC. THEREFORE a de facto state/government does not EVER include the people. There are no public policy rules in effect that govern the people, ONLY legal persons. Now Wonkotsane perhaps you should find a clear definition, consistent with any code, act, statute, bylaw, ordinance, etc., that defines a man. YOU WONT because ALL de facto public policy can only deal in legal fictions (Bill of Middlesex – Judicature Acts 1870…etc). Magna Carta dealt with freehold titles not fictional titles. SO the Magna Carta could be used as it is a law of substance (common law pleas & Exclusive Equity)not fiction. Although you do not need any document to instill the rights (rights can only ever be taken away if you are found to be a criminal in a de jure system)already bestowed upon you as a man, you can use any de jure document that supports the right to be free from a debt based system that uses a juristic personality law of usury to tax its slaves.
How many branches of government are there Wonkotsane?
Oh god, you’re one of those. I will reiterate one of my parting comments:
There is, in fact, only one way to lawfully rebel and that is to be on the winning side so you’re the one who decides what is and isn’t lawful.
Dear Stuart. Honestly? Lets all enter into the debate.. You have made some very serious allegations in your post, which some could call and charge sedition Sir.. Kind regards
And very seriously and importantly I inform you, ignorance is no excuse in law. 😉 .. so scrap your pathetic so called get out clause lol.. its embarrassing for you Stuart.
i agree that “Lawful rebellion” is a con!
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Only because the barons failed to follow the petitioning procedure correctly.
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Please remember they are the leaders of the military wing of the cabal estblishment and so are currently enemies of WE,the People!
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Magna Carta Libertatum 1215, including Clause 61, is current and valid as Declared by an mp in parliament a few years ago.
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This was never challenged!
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I have used lawful rebellion succesfully, because it is lawful and that is something our ancestors have fought for. The barons lawfully invoked article 61 of the Magna Carta in 2001 for good reason, according to constitutional protocols. In their knowledge of the constitutional laws of Britain they could see there was unlawful activity within parliament. There is so much information to learn when it comes to constitutional law. Wonko you need to do a lot more research, I can see this by the half truths, opinion and misinfo you are publicising.
What was the case? I’ll look it up. Just need petitioner, defendant, court and year. If you’ve established case law then it’ll be easy to find.
No Danielle, you haven’t “used lawful rebellion successfully” any more than you’ve flown to the moon in a bathtub. The phrase represents nothing more than a delusional Freeman/Sovereign Citizen fantasy.
You imagine that your crappy cut & paster internet templates will make you immune from the law? Ask Tom Crawford how that worked out for him.
ermmmm…….she DID !!!
What was the case? I’ll look it up. Just need petitioner, defendant, court and year. If she established case law then it’ll be easy to find.
No, not immune from the Law. Just immune from the legal which can go against the Law with one’s Human & parental rights.
lol lawful rebellion kinda says if in the name you need to define more clear the definition between lawful and legal lawful comes under common law which cannot be repealed as it existed before parliament was created legal is statue law and covers acts of Parliament statues and other such crap I have not paid any form of tax for several years iv so far had two arrest notices served and told police to fuck themselves and if anyone lays a hand on me from a best company to try take me to fake jail I will happily give them a black eye for there trouble
If clause 61 was invalid, null and void, would the queen even bother to respond? On the LAST day of the set 40 day window to remedy the situation? It was not agreed to by any parliament, therefore no parliament can repeal, modify or replace the charter. We celebrated the 1215 Magna Carta recently, not the 1297 Magna Carta in 1997. I think that says enough. If people actually take some time to read what the law says, and not what parliament says it says, they may get a much better understanding of the law. There is also one more very important law that people should have a look at. No parliament can bind its successor. This absolutely still rings true today.
Glastonbury town hall was seized under article 61, the police were called, they were made aware that the hall was being peacefully seized under this law, and then they left. No breach of the peace, therefore no crime committed, Magna Carta states quite clearly that we have the right to do this as long as it is peaceful.
David Robinson has had much success with using this against courts of not law, I have much respect for his work.
Judgement details, please?
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Robinson doesn’t know what he is talking about, or is deliberately conning Patriots!
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The peers failed to correctly follow the Clause 61 procedure!
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Therefore “Lawful Rebellion”, a la 2001, is a complete con!
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Is Lawful Rebellion a real action that can be taken with success or is it not?
Are people on here who claim to be successful lawful rebels full of shit or is the goofy looking tosser called Wonko really the one to believe here
2001 Article 61 Was invoked and if you pay your taxes you are committing the crime of sedition. i have only paid Vat for 3 year each time i am called to court i request that the Judge present his oath, He cant because the crown has no power then i ask for the judge to prove that article 61 of Magna Carta has been Revoked they cannot. they have Ceased chasing me for council and income tax.
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1327734/Peers-petition-Queen-on-Europe.html
Christopher Saunders,
Article 61. was indeed invoked in 2001 by the barons petition.
However, “Lawful Rebellion” was “not” Declared Lawfully as the queen complied with the petition.
So they had no justifiable reason to declare “Lawful Rebellion”!
Do you have the legal right to use “Dummies” logo/emblem?
You are a fucking idiot…..go learn some facts ya dickhead.https://www.fedcourt.gov.au/digital-law-library/judges-speeches/justice-rares/rares-j-20151009
It says it matters, it doesn’t say it’s legal.
You’re talking crap and obviously don’t know anything about law or the Magan Carta.
We need more freedom fighters in this world and A LOT less people that suckle the buttocks and hug the testicles of government authorities (LIKE YOU)!
What Masonic Sophist Shite.
Lawful rebellion is an oxymoron surely?
Lawful Rebel Lion. So no it’s not.
It is a nonsense. Do you think the Her Majesty and her Barons are going to let common people rise up? I don’t think it would be in their best interests.
Those at the top are all money people and any threat to that would be crushed. They’re not going to let the people use their own laws against them,it would be suicide to do so.
We can delude ourselves with such bullshit and believe that a document from hundreds of years ago will give us the right to rebel against those who make the laws and succeed.
Can you imagine the barons saying “yes you shouldn’t have to pay taxes,you shouldn’t have to do what you’re told”.
That would be ridiculous. You really believe that they would destroy a system that took over a thousand years to design?
Millions/billions of us, the crown sovereign ppl. Traitors along with their little band of subversives and the rest of the network rancid they own and control, not even a full %. Do the math! When enough of us focus through the effect of Agenda 21, chemical/microwave saturation 24/7 (WW3) it’s all over. Plain and simple. You have been set up to fail, so when the top goes, they will take their ranks down with them. No honour amongst traitors.
Hey Joseph
How well do you think the system is working at the moment?
MP’s will vote tomorrow on whether to start a 2nd lockdown which will kill more people and maim more businesses than the first one
This is what our “democracy” has become
Is it little wonder that people look elsewhere for a remedy against the current regime and lack of opposition to a government that rules by secret decree.
Article 61 looks positively inviting compared to the Gulag this country will be become under Statute Law.
All MP’s will be served with Notices for Treason and Fraud ( under Statute ) this week
We will see how this pans out
Capital punishment is still allowed under Common Law
Thankfully
How is it working out ?
The MPs’ secretaries all rolled their eyes, muttered “another fucking idiot” and threw Bazza’s incoherent rambling in the trash, of course. Meanwhile Bazza’s been detained under the Mental Health Act.
Article 29 magna carta, which is one of the three laws that have not been revoked.
“No free man shall be seized ,imprisoned, ,stripped of his rights or possessions, ,outlawed ,exiled. Nor will we proceed with force against him except by the lawful judgement of his equals or by the law of the land. To no one will we sell, to no one deny or delay right or justice
There are not many ‘free men’ (as defined within the context of 1215) in this country outside the nobility, though.
Freeman are freeholders, landowners. Nothing to do with nobility.
McKechnie, Magna Carta (1914) pp. 114-115
Holdsworth, A History of English Law (1966) Vol. 2, p. 211
Holt, Magna Carta (1965), p. 184
Freemen even, them too.
Hi, Very interesting article. I have always been sceptical of the magna carta as it was signed under duress. And article 61 is for barons to take action. I am not a baron, so I am not sure how this applies to me.
But I am interested in your suggestions on this:
“be on the winning side so you’re the one who decides what is and isn’t lawful.”
Do you have another article on this topic, or could you shed some light on this?
Thanks again for a very good article.
Sedition to subvert the Constitution which in it’s self is high treason. Really is amazing how subversives come on line putting them selves on record with the idea they won’t be held to full account for their treachery. Never mind in due course all will be rounded up and dealt with from top to bottom, in accordance with our Constitution MC 1215, (treason act applies) no stone unturned. Hangman UCL, in device.ttfn
Oops. Hangman UCL, In service.
Common Law comes from the Dome, a book of ainchent laws and customs. Defined it equates to 4 Laws (only). Cause no harm, no loss, no breach of peace, no deciet within contract. The later takes us on to legal Magna Carta 1215, legislation, acts, statutes,With codisals added over time to protect us, the Crown Sovereign Ppl. These give us guidance with regards to our rights along with contractual agreements. Primary at this time the treason act. It’s all very basic and easy enough to understand it you recognise the subvesion that has been going on around it since 1297.you also need to recognise the indoctrination/education prosses that they have setup overtime, especially when it comes to what passes as laws, regardless of who interperated it. As for legislation introduced, the road traffic act is about the only thing that has any relevance. With that The Common Law can not be changed, and legislation can only be introduced with the consent of the ppl after being given all the facts. Lawful Rebellion in full, as anything else would be subversive. (FB Tommy Kennedy 3956)
Simple solution to all of it in less than 4 minuets https://youtu.be/MOTWkQZKELU as soon as the numbers start to show, their ALL over. Simple as that.
Cheif Executioner/Hangman UCL(Under Constitutional License). Method of dispatch for traitor gimps, Edward 2nd,(snap sizzle + pop). For skanks, Anne Boleyn, (chop + drop). Well we are at war, Agenda 21,WW3.
Flagged up to me by a friend in Brighton, who said twice in his flagging ‘this is a must watch’:
https://youtu.be/CRo-ieBEw-8